Below is an email I received which makes some interesting assertions, among others that I’ve judged my alma mater too harshly, since it is but a part of a broader American problem of churning out high-dollar, useless degrees. My responses (in bold) follow each section.
“Dear Clayton,
Your blog is a great revelation, and I agree with much of what you wrote. However, you are being unduly harsh on Duke. The biggest problem with Duke is the exorbitant cost, which was explicitly stated and accepted by you. Duke is known as a school for rich kids. If the price puts a financial strain on your family, then you shouldn’t go there. This is certainly not unique to Duke, and unremarkable private universities charge a similar amount for a vastly inferior education. It appears that Duke gave you what it promised—a great education. Furthermore, many other universities provide an awful, unpleasant, difficult undergraduate experience.”
I agree with you on the financial side of things – the trouble with private education in general is the enormous cost and potential debt incurred. In hindsight, it wasn’t a good choice for a middle-class family like mine, but my parents encouraged it. And since there are an awful lot of Americans willing to gamble $200,000+ on an education these days, I didn’t think to question this. I didn’t have an appreciation for the value of these assets at the time, either. Now that I’ve worked in industry for a while, to spend such an amount on a degree is almost unthinkable.
I’m not sure what you mean by “a great education.” Neither was my degree marketable, nor were my 4 years at Duke particularly pleasant. I’ve yet to attend any of the reunions or yearly events as a result. I did make some good friends, though. I suppose that’s the silver lining to an otherwise depressing educational experience.
There are definitely far worse schools, and I don’t dedicate enough time on the blog to these lesser private schools, which provide even less value for money than their top-rated counterparts. But the reason I focus my frustrations on top-tier universities is that they hold the promise of something better than 4 years of mundane study just to attain a bachelor’s degree, and everyone seems to believe in this promise. It almost goes without saying that a little-known school with poor ratings won’t offer much. If one chooses to attend such a school even though it’s expensive, then it begs the question, what motivated that decision? But if a student opts to attend Yale or Stanford, no one questions their logic – they just assume it will be a positive and worthwhile experience with a great ROI… but this isn’t really a safe assumption. I’ve tried to bring this to light by sharing stories of hardship from graduates of these top universities.
“A better target for your ire would be Biology. Of all the worthless majors, Biology requires the greatest amount of time and effort. The other natural sciences provide a modicum of market value, but a bachelor’s degree in Bio is as useless as most of the other liberal arts. Bio is especially painful when you compare it to other worthless majors that are less demanding and allow for some enjoyment and sanity. I am curious whether your horrible experience with Bio was due to the fact that you were a bad match for the curriculum in Biology. Most of the material in Biology requires rote memorization by brute force. Even in courses such as organic chemistry or biochemistry that come from other departments, the amount of memorization is overwhelming. Are you bad at memorization, or is memorization your weakest ability? The fact that you could readily switch to computer science indicates that your abilities lie elsewhere, not in memorization.”
In hindsight (and hindsight’s 20/20, as they say), Biology is indeed a worthless degree. I get the impression that pure chemistry and physics degrees also aren’t much good, and also require a lot of effort to complete. Virtually any core science requires a graduate degree (and likely a PhD) to be put to productive use, but my advisors never bothered to share that detail with me, so I learned this lesson the hard way.
Was I a bad match for bio? Yes, but I think not for the reasons you suggested. My memory is actually quite good, and learning to program requires plenty of memorization as well. I also study a lot of foreign languages, which is largely memorization of vocabulary, declensions, verb conjugations, etc. once you’ve mastered the grammar.
The problem for me was that I lacked passion for the material, and I couldn’t really see the point in what I was learning. I voiced this complaint to both my parents and advisers, but was basically told by both, “Don’t worry, this is how it is. You just need to complete the work and then things will be fine.” In hindsight, my gut feeling unfortunately proved to be correct: I was spinning my wheels, memorizing huge volumes of information that had almost no applicability outside the classes for which I was learning it. Oh, if only I could get that time back to spend on virtually anything else…
“Finally, Duke is somewhat innocent because much larger forces are playing a role. In the U.S., the entire university system and society are putting graduates into a terrible situation. For much of the last century, your situation would have never occurred. At that time, college was only for smart, talented, studious kids that were serious about education. A bachelor’s degree virtually guaranteed good employment because there weren’t many graduates, and a degree symbolized intelligence, perseverance, and the ability to learn. That entire framework has been utterly destroyed. All of society and every family push kids into college, regardless of ability or desire. Feckless idiots go to college because some school will accept them, and some organization will lend the money. The bachelor’s degree has lost its value. Far too many people have a degree, and a degree does not guarantee competence or intelligence. It is hard to blame Duke for modern, pervasive forces that Duke does not control.”
I totally agree with you that there are larger forces at work, and Duke is only a participant in this problem. And the problem is by no means confined to Duke – far from it – which is why I’ve made an effort to document the pattern at other universities as well.
But should we not hold schools accountable for the problems of which they are a part? To give a different example: If a society has a culture which encourages or tolerates criminal behavior, that will likely lead to more individuals committing crimes… but does that mean the individuals aren’t culpable? Should we not still judge the individuals committing those crimes, and hold them responsible for their actions? Or do we let them off the hook, and say, “It’s not their fault – their culture is to blame”? How do we fix the culture if we don’t fix the individuals who contribute to that culture?
In the case of universities, I think it’s the same thing. To address this phenomenon of expensive, useless degrees requires actions by the individual universities. It seems to me that the logical first step in this process is to hold universities accountable for the educations they provide.
This forum is ludicrous. You make Ivy Leauge schools sound like an especially cruel type of punishment, when in reality they are the greatest achievement any college aged person can accomplish. They offer tremendous opportunity to those who take it. Like at any school, an Ivy League school will get stressful, but thats academics. What is amazing is that you get free tutoring if you need it, you’re taking classes with nobel prize winning professors that are obligated to make time for you if you reach out, and you’re mingling with a group of extremely stimulating peers. While the rigor of excelled academics is not for everyone, it doesn’t necessarily paint higher education in a despicable light. College is what you make of it, and thats true no matter where you go. If you concentrate your college experience purely on reading textbooks and occasionally sleeping, then of course you will feel like you’re wasting time and money. But college is about the experience, its a place to learn who you are. Ivy Leauges are hard, everyone knows that going in. So its malicious to degrade Ivy League education because of the stress that comes along with the experience. So shut the fuck up and stop whining because you didn’t get handed a golden ticket. Life is hard and there are no easy paths toward success. Furthermore, you fucking went to Duke, thats not an Ivy League
While you’re entitled to your opinion, I think you’ve missed the point of this blog in several respects:
1.) It’s not that elite American schools are a special sort of punishment. It’s that they have instilled a mystical expectation in those who apply to them — an expectation which is unrealistic, and which is unjustifiable based on the price. But I should focus more attention on non-Ivy private unis, as they are a far worse investment.
2.) My primary complaint about my education is not that it was difficult or stressful – that could be said of many experiences in life. My main complaint is that I was told I’d been sold a Golden Ticket for 4 years of my life and $200K and it turned out not to be remotely like what I’d been led to believe it was. I established this blog if for no other reason than to help others avoid making the same mistakes I did. Do top-tier schools have their place? Sure, but not for immature teens who don’t know what career they want to pursue and are likely to lose sight of this important goal when they’re burdened with a heavy course load. And do you think $200K doesn’t matter, especially if you’re not from a wealthy household and struggle to find work after graduation? People should think very hard about making such an investment, but by and large, they don’t — they just assume everything will be okay because such schools are so well-rated. Sometimes that’s true, but often not.
3.) I agree with you that I should have focused less on academics; if I were to do it over again, I’d spend far more time socializing and trying to build connections with well-connected students. However, this contradicts everything I was ever told by both academic and career advisers, not to mention my parents. And I believe the same is true for many if not most matriculates and potential attendees.
4.) I’m well aware that Duke is not an Ivy, but my focus is on elite American universities (i.e. top-20) of which most are not Ivies, and I struggled to identify a more concise, well-recognized term than the Ivies. By all means, if you can think of something better, I’m happy to listen. Give me an equally concise but less Ivy-specific term that immediately brings to mind the top tiers of our nation’s private education system, and I’m happy to change the name of the blog. Genuinely.